Articles, Blog Who Says Science has Nothing to Say About Morality? No related posts. 2011 Harris sam Post navigation Scientists May Have Found a Way to Treat All Cancers… By Accident | SciShow NewsLindner Master of Science in Information Systems 100 Comments LR Vogt September 17, 2019 at 7:11 pm Reply "Arrogance is asking a god who wouldn't stop the holocaust to find your car keys." ~Ricky Gervais Eric Claey September 20, 2019 at 12:28 am Reply Science proves, there are only 2 genders… just as the Bible says. The world keeps trying to add imaginary genders. The Bible and science completely agrees. Nj Shire September 22, 2019 at 3:07 am Reply Jimmy Spangler would school these two fools! Tomo Qi September 22, 2019 at 6:18 am Reply That thicc Australian accent tho Greene Oriana September 24, 2019 at 9:46 am Reply Cuddling up with a serial sexual assualter Epstein pedo pal child rapist (only reason to be an apologist, especially with his pattern of behavior) LAWKRA does give one pause. A massive amount of pause. Ender7j September 26, 2019 at 3:56 pm Reply I think people are afraid that the clinical understanding of things like love and death will remove the mystery and thus the power of those things. This only matters to two kinds of people: People who need that mystery and those who use it on others. The rest of us don’t need the mystery to appreciate the feelings that arise when contemplating love or death. I cling to love in dark times and am inspired by death in other times; one strengthens and one motivates. Why would this change if God was disproven? P.S: I quit religion decades ago… Haydar KIR September 26, 2019 at 8:16 pm Reply 43:00 I saw a video couple of days. Soldiers came to tell a father that his son died during duty. Mother was crying really hard and father said this: I want to laugh and dance with joy (it’s because the son died for country and is going straight to heaven) So Sam Harris, that pill already exist. By the way this happened in Turkey Felix Midas September 28, 2019 at 12:32 am Reply Actually the science on bias shows that there are huge differences in degree as to how racist somebody "naturally" is. IhateECHOES September 28, 2019 at 8:27 pm Reply atheism = nihilism Alejandro Tello September 28, 2019 at 11:23 pm Reply If beliefs aren't adopted on the basis of utility, then on what basis? David G. Horsman September 29, 2019 at 7:48 am Reply For the record. I can't count the number of points where Sam and I disagree or it's debatable or inadequate. However. Sam's canonical arguments on suffering and good are grounded in biology and foundational principles of the universe. Credit where it is due. The messenger does not alter the truth. The universe is structured this way. Daniel Black September 29, 2019 at 8:34 pm Reply I'm still waiting for Sam to give a logical answer moar schtuff October 2, 2019 at 5:09 am Reply "What if you meet someone who wants to vomit?" You mean anorexics? lol Warren Q October 3, 2019 at 11:35 pm Reply That's the problem with a utilitarian moral theory: Harris says that there are some calculations that are off-limits to us. But then how do we say that the Fukushima disaster was bad? There may be an objective answer, but if we cannot know it, what use is that to us? And doesn't the same go for the holocaust? Ww Lib October 10, 2019 at 12:15 am Reply Jesus says, “I am the true Vine.” Here is an invitation for all. As we intertwine our lives with Him, we become one with him, we become stronger, we are nourished. We bear much fruit that is good to help others. When we cut ourselves off from the main vine, the One rooted, we become dry and dead branches and eventually our fruit withers. Only He can graft us back onto the true Vine. Call on His Name, the Name of Jesus, the One who has forgiven and redeemed you by His death on the Cross. “God so loved the world that He gave His only Son that whoever believes on Him shall not perish, but have everlasting life.” (John 3:16) Krispy Bacon October 10, 2019 at 5:51 am Reply man did not get morality from god. rather we gave the gods WE created OUR morality.otherwise how or why would a god create one group of people he would benefit and another he allowed and encouraged to be preyed upon?until the god squad out there can reconcile all the acts of barbarism their OWN handbooks called upon its adherents to do.then dont even try telling me "god" gave US morality. FUN FACT Atheists =.07 percent of prison populations 77% believe in an abrahamic god of some sort.yep god is giving them morality all right Brian Harris October 14, 2019 at 9:56 pm Reply Sam Harris looks like an older less insane Dennis from Its always sunny. Beautiful minds though the both of them. Graxxor Anandro Vidhelssen October 16, 2019 at 7:39 pm Reply Ben Stiller looks good in a suit. Alec Gargett October 18, 2019 at 9:33 am Reply 34:29 ??????? October 19, 2019 at 8:50 am Reply I fail to see the point Sam Harris was trying to make with consequentialism whether you push the person or pull the lever you still save four people you should feel both good and bad about the decision simultaneously. However if you do nothing four people die and technically you didn't do anything to help the "one" individual that survives. Fundamentally they are different and that's not to say that the difference can't be reformed because surely it can based on the scenario but in this one in particular instance no matter which choice you make whether you pull the lever or push the person your actions via your choice will cause another human being to die but hey at least you saved four people. I also forgot to add the scenario Dawkins makes about the hospital may have the same principal but it's entirely different considering 1.) Moral applications of not only killing a man (against his will in a methodical deliberate way) that is entirely different than the "pushing/pulling" scenario. Then you rob his organs afterwards lol. 2.) The probability of failure from the operation on each patient just to give them the organs. All of that needs to be weighed into account on whether this is a moral decision and varies dramatically from the first scenario based on those variables. NetAndyCz October 20, 2019 at 6:51 pm Reply Well, religion is useful, in some parts of the world it is really hard to get secular weeding or funeral… and it is so damn hard to convince people to move the Christmas three days and celebrate the solstice! Humans immensely enjoy their rituals and so many of them are poisoned by religion that it is hard to get a really atheistic ones. I mean even the rituals themselves are kind of religious even if no god is mentioned or implied. The Word October 23, 2019 at 12:19 pm Reply SCIENCE HAS NOTHING TO SAY, Morality IS NOT SCIENCE ….. nor does science concern itself with it … WATCH ATHEIST ARSE CLOWNS TRY TO BACK PEDDLE THEY quest to destroy what is good in humanity Russ Gallagher October 23, 2019 at 2:26 pm Reply There were moral and legal codes long before the currently established religions. Humans being primates are social animals and with our big brains we worked out ways of handling conflict short of throwing feces at one another or males screwing each other's butts. Richard Kranium October 26, 2019 at 11:33 am Reply Trolley question doesn’t go far with me. Put all 6 on the same track. Switch the trolley to that one. They know to get out of the way, it’s their job. google owns you October 26, 2019 at 12:24 pm Reply Q: Who Says Science has Nothing to Say About Morality?A: Science. Philip Merewood October 28, 2019 at 1:25 am Reply 27.51That's what everyone is really here for Philip Merewood October 28, 2019 at 1:46 am Reply A few questions from a friendly opposition and his whole philosophy falls apart KING KONG October 30, 2019 at 9:21 pm Reply wrong audience XD Ken Shiloh October 31, 2019 at 2:34 am Reply If people are simply another life form, maybe someone likes fish more than people. They kill fishermen before the fishermen kill fish. It would be totally logical to do so – if atheism were true. The word 'morality' says that people have special privilege over other forms of life. It supposes we are made in God's image. Atheists are very guilty before God, causing much damage. They cannot even say that the school shooters are wrong! Jesus Christ will soon judge the world. Dark Suns November 1, 2019 at 2:25 am Reply Dawkins wrote something down when Sam said "The split between facts and values is an illusion" @10:11 King Slayer November 1, 2019 at 8:29 pm Reply Does anyone have the balls to debate me?? Ricky Rick November 2, 2019 at 7:35 am Reply I hope your beliefs are useful. Ricky Rick November 2, 2019 at 8:12 am Reply Everything matters; but only temporarily. Inge Fossen November 3, 2019 at 8:38 am Reply Does science say anything about morality, or do the practice and uses of science change with the moral mores of society? james sicard November 3, 2019 at 8:54 am Reply Not quite, Sam. "The worst possible misery for everyone" isn't necessarily "bad," the worst possible "inflicted" misery is "bad." That's a noteworthy distinction, to this muggle anyway. Leksi November 3, 2019 at 3:51 pm Reply Hitmarker @ 2:27 Ryan DESTROYS -click bait here- November 5, 2019 at 12:05 am Reply TBH Sam Harris is a very weak speaker. like a poor man's Chris Hitchins he just makes the whole process so boring D Hools November 8, 2019 at 4:43 am Reply Who the hell is that guy sleeping in the front row ! Dana garza November 8, 2019 at 2:44 pm Reply I am so thankful TO Sam Harris for his generosity and insight ..He has helped me be a wiser and better person ..what I mean is this ; I spent my whole life being everyone's "doormat ,pushover "cheap and easy lay "..cheap and free emotional slave .I never even bothered.to test my own dedication or understanding of my own "beliefs "..I am a Born again Christian ..and I have learned to be a more appropriate example of my faith ..because without a clear and thoughroughly applied scrutiny to the thoughts and belief "systems" and how they effect my dysfunctional emotional life ..without knowing how to meditate one cannot understand any religious doctrine .(critical thinking)…the gift Sam gave to me )by clearing out the "white noise " the mind becomes "free of their clutching influences and their burdensome and distorting effects "..without the minds full and undistracted States ".focus is not possible and that's the key for discerning and differentiation of fact or fiction ..thus one cannot be "sincere " ,"real" "all there".. to make any commitment ".whether the conclusions is to throw out the baby in the bath water ..or simply change the water but keep the baby…you can still improve the quality of experience no matter what truth I discover or direction it leads me ..meditation is key ..Sam Harris has been an influence and a helpful agent in my current battles and victory….(helpful tip Sam )…lose the "bad company "(Richard Dawkins )…👎 Made by Jimbob November 8, 2019 at 10:05 pm Reply The entire argument begins with a false assumption, that not preferring suffering is a question of morality at all. Suffering and well being is not a basis for morality, otherwise Seth Green here, could claim that numbing everyone from feeling any pain or anguish, by placing us all in a virtual bubble with norco drip iv, would be a morally good outcome, if the fullest extent of pain and suffering for all is an immoral outcome. Sam Harris and Hitchens are logically retarded michael nixson November 11, 2019 at 12:12 pm Reply Too scared to attack Islam..! Go on pick on Christianity, they won’t physically harm you… get some Nuts and go decry Mohamed. Oh yeah, you won’t because you might get attacked. joe sarnak November 13, 2019 at 12:48 am Reply I used to listen to Sam, but I ask everyone to just look how bad society and culture has fallen since the left adopted this Atheism is a reason to pursue personal happiness at all costs. I do not even believe the "God" as most religions do BUT history has proven that "humans" need "something: and it is not what Sam Harris is selling Wayne L Foley November 13, 2019 at 2:19 pm Reply Science now believes in the creation as a process; Something from Nothing. Cause and Effect, First Cause being an affect. Sam dg November 14, 2019 at 5:33 am Reply It bugs me that Richard Dawkins can just sit there and in spite of making this claim elsewhere, "The universe that we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but pitiless indifference." heard by many – he offers no challenge to what Harris has to say. You'd think that he could have at least clarified his terms and maybe shown that they were in some way able to agree with one another because they were using the terms equivocally or something. I don't want to put words in his mouth.But to me, it seems that here is a fellow atheist making his pitch and I shan't rock the boat. Emily Mayer November 17, 2019 at 2:58 pm Reply We are living in the Armageddon. This word means, "the reveling of knowledge that was hidden". Károly Kovacs November 20, 2019 at 3:50 am Reply "We are so deeply social, our happiness is so obviously predicated on the flourishing of others. The only way to be wisely selfish in this world is to care about others." Paul Den November 21, 2019 at 1:38 am Reply I luv how smart Ben Stiller got Cosmic Happening November 23, 2019 at 1:57 am Reply Me! The problem with science is that like every other institution of power and influence on this planet including "religion", it was set up, and is controlled and manipulated by, the satanic and psychotic mega-rich ruling elite; at the forefront of whom today are the Rothschild's; for it is through these institutions of power and influence that they have been misleading, suppressing, oppressing, corrupting, exploiting, poisoning, torturing, murdering, and enslaving humans physically, mentally, psychologically, psychically, emotionally, intellectually, technologically, economically, and spiritually for literally thousands of years since at least the days of ancient Sumeria, when "kingship", i.e. rulership over mankind, was first "lowered down" into the hands of their human-Watcher hybrid Sumerian ancestors by their satanic alien ancestor "god" in Enki aka "IA-U-A" (YH-W-H), pronounced as "EEYAH-OO-WAH", aka the "Shining One", and the Watchers aka Anunnaki aka "Shining Ones"; the children of Lucifer aka Ba'al aka the "Shining One" from whom they took the name (of the "Shining Ones"). Even Jews Ask: Is Judaism a Satanic Cult? https://www.henrymakow.com/lucifers_chosen_people.html gerald hills November 23, 2019 at 6:32 pm Reply How many times have pastors been found out to be corrupt . Dan Armando November 24, 2019 at 9:04 pm Reply Definition Of An Atheist- Obsessed with a subject he claims to have no belief about. Henry Dalcke November 25, 2019 at 5:14 pm Reply Science is about seeking knowledge and knowledge presupposes objective truth to be discoverable. The existence of objective truth therefore has to be taken as an unprovable assumption for science to even make sense. Newsflash: Atheism cannot account for objective truth and therefore hasn't got a philosophical justification for why scientific research should even gain knowledge! So basically, an atheist like Harris couldn't account for science and therefore not find any solutions about morals using science. This dude is brain-dead, guys! You cannot seriously believe that fizz coming out of his mouth! I'm amused! Origami Bulldoser November 27, 2019 at 5:53 pm Reply 1:03:00… Why is there an edit right about there? RICHARD LAVERSUCH November 28, 2019 at 6:06 am Reply Under Communism, for instance, the State not God decides right and wrong; in that society has lost its divine sanction. These societies are fundamentally unjust for other reasons too. Rachit Bhatia December 2, 2019 at 4:50 pm Reply 3:20 – 5:40 I have heard this story from Sam himself in a "God debate" video with Craig that was posted on youtube 8 years ago. I can't believe he can recreate the same emotions and pauses in his sentence exactly like he did 8 years ago. Damn! Rachit Bhatia December 2, 2019 at 6:07 pm Reply Both the trolley situations is wrong equivalently. I mean if it isn't Charles Manson shouldn't be inside a prison. nicklassayshi December 7, 2019 at 12:37 am Reply Notice how seldom they stutter or say “ah”, “uhm” etc. It’s a telltale sign of a clear thinking mind. filmeseverin December 10, 2019 at 8:02 am Reply Think a little if Hitler, Stalin… the shooters… all the criminals, all the evil=stupid people (over history and nowadays) would have followed the main commandment from Jesus Christ to love / respect (care for) the other humans as we love / respect (care for) ourselves all the crimes and the tremendous useless suffering would have never happen. From the messages of many atheists we can see clearly how they are fighting for the freedom to do evil, by spreading Satan's manipulation (such as the Bible alterations etc.). They ignore the truth from the Bible, focusing only on Satan's works. They do not want to recognize the real reason that makes them fighting against God/Jesus, which is the satisfaction of their bad addictions (they want to remain slaves of their bad addictions, not realizing that in this way Satan will gain their immortal soul in hell). "For it is God’s will that by doing good you should silence the ignorance of foolish men. Live in freedom, but do not use your freedom as a cover-up for evil; live as servants of God." 1 Peter 2,15 – 16 Christianity informs humans about the truth. Without the truth humans are easily fooled by the fallen angels, who are making people to consider themselves good enough when they are not good enough. Most atheists think that a human being can be good enough without God/Jesus wisdom (laws, commandments), but they do not want to quit ALL their bad addictions to be really good humans, as the Creator wants us to be, and they do not want to love (care about) the others as they love (care about) themselves, as the true Christians do. Their idea of good is way too low than what it should be, and that is why so many people are still far from Heaven (they do not recognize their bad deeds). filmeseverin December 10, 2019 at 8:14 am Reply "Indeed, all who desire to live godly lives in Christ Jesus will be persecuted, while evil men and impostors go from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived." 2 Timothy 3, 12-13 Only Satan fools most humans to think that they are animals. We have not only rationality but also immortal soul (unfortunately the tools of Satan, the evil=stupid humans, do not have enough wisdom to not allow Satan's manipulation).He talks about well being, but does not tell the truth, which is that without true belief in God/Jesus, the following evil facts have happened, are happening and will happen:– so many millions of people killed in wars and not only (following the killing of billions in the Third World War);– the billions of poor people at the limit of subsistence versus the wealthiest (multi-billionaires in dollars, euros, etc. with the vices of money / fortune) and those millions too rich people (also with the vice of money / wealth), owning together so many trillions of dollars, euro … undeserved money, of course, wasted on unnecessary luxury and / or just kept through banks, instead of being used for: free better education for ALL, suitable jobs for ALL (without exploitation / slavery), healthier food for ALL, renewable energy, science, eradication of all diseases, financing of useful inventions, recycling, etc.– so many trillions of dollars, euros, etc. wasted on nuclear, chemical, biological and conventional weapons, on armies, etc. only for killing and destruction;– sadism, violence, dishonesty, vices, envy … stupidity in general.What people do not know is that our consciousness is connected with an external permanent memory that exists in a superior dimension. Our earthly life is saved there like into a database, named in the Bible "the Book of life." In that dimension are both Heaven (God/Jesus, the angels) and Hell (the demons). We will be there after death, when our spirit will be judged function of all we did in this short earthly life (all being recorded there).From this reality, we cannot see/perceive the dimension of Heaven and Hell, but only with our immortal spirits (who are actually us), as someone from just 2 dimensions cannot see/perceive our 3 dimensional world. That is why Jesus has said: “Because you have seen Me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen, and yet have believed.” John 20, 29 He also said: "The sky and the earth won't last forever, but my words will." Matthew 24, 35The Creator of this reality (God) wants to see what everyone is doing (into His creation) with the freedom He has given. The problem is with those who use their freedom for doing evil, not with the One who has offered freedom. Everyone will receive (from the Creator of this reality) accordingly with all evil and all good done into this short earthly life, being judged 100% correctly.Regarding the Bible, it could have been altered very easily by evil humans (tools of the fallen angels), over history, to manipulate people, but a true Christian follows the goodness of Jesus Christ and ignores those possible manipulated texts, mainly from the Old Testament. However, any sincere enough person can recognize the truth from the Bible.For example, most unbelievers do not know the "Parable of the weeds". The fallen angels have created all the evil living things such as: parasites, viruses, bad bacteria …, besides all insects and animals that kill other insects or animals, also the bad instincts in humans (the reptilian brain), by altering our DNA (since the "apple" event mentioned in the Bible). Initially all insects, animals etc. were feeding only with plants (plants products, such as fruits, nectar, seeds etc.). Humans had to continue living after betraying the Creator, by listening to His enemy, Satan, who is actually the god of this world, in a Creation corrupted by the fallen angels, after the Creator "has abandoned" this planet to let us see how evil, humans without God/Jesus, can be. We see this everyday and suffer the bad consequences of the stupid=evil people's deeds, tools of Satan. The fallen angels, being sadistic, have altered the DNA of most living things (including us) to do as default both: reproduce uncontrollably (as much as they can) and fight (kill) each other. Unfortunately, they love to see living things suffering, especially human beings suffering.The Bible mentions clearly that Satan is the god of this world (for example in Corinthians). Therefore, all havoc, all stupidity=evilness, respectively all the useless suffering etc. and immorality/promiscuity are sustained by the fallen angels, ruled by Satan. We still can live and even be happy sometimes, in this short earthly life, because of God's mercy and love for us, which keeps some limitations for the fallen angels, otherwise Apocalypse will happen.The fallen angels want to destroy us since our conception (actually, all the time in any way possible), because of their hatred for God. That is why they make us suffer, as much as possible, by using our stupidity and the stupidity of the other people around us.Satan, the one who deceives the whole world (Rev. 12:9), wants to corrupt, pervert, and twist everything what God has made.Anyone should know already the main commandment from Jesus Christ (the human form of Divinity), to love / respect (care for) the other humans as we love / respect (care for) ourselves, besides the 10 commandments. Also the commandment from God to not use freedom wrongly (for evil), "For it is God’s will that by doing good you should silence the ignorance of foolish men. Live in freedom, but do not use your freedom as a cover-up for evil; live as servants of God." 1 Peter 2,15 In addition, God (the Creator) is perfect. "Be perfect therefore, as your Heavenly Father is perfect" Matthew 5, 48All the parts that contradict the above truths are alterations done by the tools of Satan, over the last about 2000 years, to manipulate humans. mitchell hudson December 10, 2019 at 9:28 pm Reply Can you give me a chance to break this down? You set a scale and place absolute suffering at one end, and presumably absolute well being at the other. I don’t believe it’s possible for a creature to exist that lives within these absolutes, I think this is why your argument collapses. Instead, experience – and your own field neuroscience, tell us that consciousness is adaptive. Sure the gross structure of the brain is almost ubiquitous in the species, yet as you know, the plasticity and redundant pathways in the brain are adaptive to the environment they’re cultured in. So then it follows that the human race will adapt to be happy and miserable in all situations we are in. You strawman the philosophical position, whereas you’d make a more consistent argument if you realised the truth in it. Subjectivity isn’t the same as “not real”, it’s an apt descriptor for things that are contingent on consciousness to exist. Consciousness is interactive. The experiential component is contingent upon redundant neurological pathways that are constantly evolving. This stochastic aspect corrupts our ability to make determinate statements, this is the importance of subjectivism as a category of reality on top of an objective one. that doesn’t mean the interactions that allow consciousness to exist aren’t objective, it simply means that redundant permutations of objective interaction form consciousness in a holographic sense. Only this hologram can be formed via various routes … rather than a simple algorithmic conversion of data. I’m getting too abstract but it’s hard to explain given our history of dogmatically splitting consciousness from reality. But it’s the same problem with trying to get a genetic sequence from a protein, despite the fact the protein is contingent on the genetic sequence, redundant sequences can account for the same amino acid translation – making backwards translation impossible. This may not always be the case, there may be hidden variables involved, as a scientist I can only state we haven’t found them. Similarly, the “right” answers you’re looking for. They are redundantly acquired and ever-changing, just like the neural pathways they’re based around. For example, we cannot go back through time with a moral compass and accuse others of immorality. We could not accuse early homo sapiens of modern day racism because such a moral obligation would’ve been evolutionarily wrong at that point. Similarly, we couldn’t maintain the same morals we have now in a post apocalyptic dystopia… science cannot make ought statements without “if” prerequisites – though we can roughly say we can agree on these universally, the actions and beliefs we must take to get there are firmly dependant upon the context on the individual in their environment at that time. I think the mata-objectivity of subjective phenomena can be confusing. Sure there are objective ways of meeting goals, but to make value statements about them requires universal agreement that can only be reached with by false equivalence – and comparison to impossible worlds where neurobiology works differently. A counterclaim to dismiss if morality is objective and based on well-being. By your standards it should be morally sound to imprisonments humans in the matrix. If they are physically healthy, and under the illusion that they are living free and happy lives, then they have health and well-being. But is this actually moral? _AmyLynne_2.0_ Sim December 17, 2019 at 7:20 am Reply Finally we are awakening ……..THANK C:/<the Creator>/………#simulationtheory _AmyLynne_2.0_ Sim December 17, 2019 at 7:53 am Reply I have waited my WHOLE LIFE to hear someone say this so eloquently and my mind is completely blown in an amazing way….THANK YOU SAM HARRIS and Richard Dawkins Foundation for Reason & Science #subscribed !!!!!!!!! Andew Tarjanyi December 17, 2019 at 12:56 pm Reply This question can be dispatched quite easily. ( I ) say science has nothing to teach about morality. As Jack Nicholson once said, "If it cudda it wudda". Samuell Chacon December 23, 2019 at 10:38 pm Reply Thank you so much for this! I really learned a lot. Wingsuiter December 24, 2019 at 6:04 pm Reply Religion just guesses on and uses personal feelings about morality and then projects these ideas onto its own mythical "creator of our Universe". Of course those ideas are going to be better anything that science comes up with. Dirk Knight January 6, 2020 at 12:44 pm Reply Science has nothing to say about morality, however, it's better to base the laws of a country on observations using the scientific method than on arbitrary tenets by individual interest groups. That's a choice we can make. In the past we let individuals decide and the result were horrific. Today we are at least trying to be somewhat systematic and the results are much better. That's progress. Ryan B January 8, 2020 at 2:49 pm Reply With the recent findings in Quantum Mechanics, destroys the notions of causality and determinism. rehecked January 18, 2020 at 8:15 am Reply This is pure pseudo science and pseudo philosophy1. Morality being defined as "well being" is arbitrary2. Presupposing we should care about well being is arbitrary 3. Presupposing that we should care about well being at the expense of pleasure and other attributes which we may like is arbitrary4. Presupposing that people should be FORCED to care about something which is arbitrary, is by definition ludicrous Just deal with it, atheists CANNOT explain morality, nor can they propose a more efficient compass than what religion provides lima leaf frog January 19, 2020 at 11:46 am Reply One Trump supporter was asked about Trump saying He could shoot someone on 5th Ave & he would still be supported. She was asked would you still support him if that happened…she said "it would depend on why he did it". I think he was implying he didn't have to have a reason…HE was doing it, therefore it would be OK. Davy Ker January 26, 2020 at 3:33 am Reply That dude sitting slack-jawed, twiddling his hair on the 2nd row for *the entire talk*… amazing Strums & Picks January 28, 2020 at 5:36 pm Reply Who Says Science has Nothing to Say About Morality? PHILOSOPHY DOES Who Says Science has Nothing to Say About Morality? golagaz February 9, 2020 at 12:19 am Reply This is more relevant now as AI systems are deployed mass scale. We need to have "computational morality" as a science discipline, or "mathematical morality" Pendulous Testicularis February 11, 2020 at 7:37 pm Reply 1:39. One look at the slack jawed twat twiddling his locks around his fingers who looks like his next move would be to taste the insides of his nose makes me lose hope in Western civilization. Kali Southpaw February 13, 2020 at 2:34 pm Reply "Your mind will take the shape of what you frequently hold in thought, for the human spirit is colored by such impressions.” – Marcus Aurelius•••••••To say that we have no free will, because our unconscious mind has decided before our conscious mind, is ludicrous. Our unconscious mind is a product of our conscious thoughts! Mainly, the thoughts we have frequently. Otherwise, there is an infinite recursion where we have no conscious thoughts at all- and very well have NEVER had a single one, because EVERY conscious thought is preceded by an unconscious one! To illustrate this point, I'm sure everyone has heard the term "muscle memory". The boxer trains in the gym how to respond to every kind of attack he will face in the ring, and practices them over and over until he can respond properly, with speed and power, WITHOUT "THINKING". When his is in the ring engaging in an actual fight, he responds to what is happening without thinking. There is no time to think! Does this mean he has no control over his body? Do his punches, blocks, feints, and bobbing and weaving movements come from beyond? Is there a "boxing goddess" who guides his punches and movements? NO! He is doing what he TRAINED HIMSELF TO DO. We all DO WHAT WE HAVE TRAINED OURSELVES TO DO, and we think as we've trained ourselves to think, by our daily thoughts. THAT is our "will". To say we have no "free will" because our mind works faster than our mouths, is utterly ridiculous, and I'm surprised Sam didn't see how ridiculous it is. I find it odd this never occurred to him. His thoughts on morality were good. This thing about "free will" is so stupid it's embarrassing. Kali Southpaw February 13, 2020 at 2:48 pm Reply Also, Sam's argument that we can't "account" for why we had one thought over another, is a ridiculous non sequitur. Why do I need to "account", for that? It's just as ridiculous as the religious fanatics argument, that "without God, how can you account for morality?!" One does not need God to "account for morality", and one does not need to "account for" why they have one particular thought over another. Do I need to "account" for why I like cheeseburgers or pizza? Do I need to "account" for why I prefer a female with a round buttocks over one with a flat buttocks? I would think Sam would have known this, as I'm CERTAIN he's dealt with the stupid "how do you account for morality" question a thousand times. Edited to add- there may be an evolutionary explanation as to why I like cheeseburgers and pizza. Historically, calorically dense foods were hard to come by, so in craving them, survival was more likely if one ate foods that were energy dense. And maybe females with round buttocks are better suited for breeding, so it's more likely one will pass on their genetics if they prefer a female with rounder buttocks. That said, whether I realize any of that or not, or if it is even true, makes no difference in if I can "account for" why I prefer either one. stefan stoss February 13, 2020 at 11:47 pm Reply enjoy youtube.com/watch?v=Mm2Jrr0tRXk liberate the brain from stress tm.org Daniel Kirby Ray February 16, 2020 at 1:51 pm Reply I find it funny! Morality is given by science … okay tell that to the cannibals in Africa! Or the or the pirates if the Sudan they have no religion … STEMSWIM February 19, 2020 at 3:03 pm Reply Why does a city need law enforcement if they are going to act like criminals The Word February 19, 2020 at 11:25 pm Reply Kraus SEXUAL PREDATORS PATTING EACH OTHER ON THE BACK SELLING BOOKS AND LIES Anthony E Huggins Jr February 20, 2020 at 3:30 pm Reply The idea that as SAM said (its wrong to cheat on your wife) is grounded in evolution (or survival of the fittest) the same as any other primitive human trait. Its about disease……Through thousands of years, those families were wife's dont cheat on husbands and the husbands dont cheat on wives, they would obviously notice the (survival of the fittest) when some STD or other outbreaks occurred. They did attribute it to some silly religious thing and thats okay but it doesn't change the facts. Another example of this is were Jesus said (the meek will inherit the earth) what Jesus is talking about here is a very practical situation that people have (perverted) turned into dumb religious BS. Its about major disease outbreaks such as the black death and the people who are meek (or naturally shy reclusive people) Jesus was talking about a natural fact. The meek will inherit the earth only because of being less likely to be infected due to already being naturally reclusive! Examples of these meek/reclusive types pf people in Jesus's days and of those who we see today are in the reclusive communities of religious monks or those in monasteries who choose to not be in contact with anyone from the outside world. They are the meek Jesus predicted will inherent the world. This is a natural fact Jesus was telling people about….One that was likely learned through scientific like observation when the reclusive were noticeably unaffected. The words were perverted later. Hundreds or thousands of years later. Anthony E Huggins Jr February 20, 2020 at 6:34 pm Reply 1:12:02 Spare the rod not the child…This is a conundrum. Different children respond to different external stimulation were it comes to punishment for unwanted activities or when trying to teach them morality/trying to keep them safe. One child may find the most personal misery while sitting in the solitude of timeout making the threat of it a effective deterrent while another child is perfectly fine with it/ actively seeking it, enjoying the alone time(such as is what we see with those boarder-lining the autism spectrum)! This child will do things to get his alone time (even if it requires breaking some rules) and if this isn't recognized we are doing big harm by allowing the child to learn that breaking the rules is a effective way to get the time they need especially when they're learning this subconsciously without realizing that all they need is some time to de-stress from the taxing social situation being forced unto them. Blanketing society with one way of doing anything is harmful even when it comes to (pro or con) corporate punishment. I agree with his point here and thats why I say conundrum Hosoi Archives February 21, 2020 at 6:44 am Reply Science has nothing to say about morality Kevin Smith February 22, 2020 at 3:42 am Reply Here's a question: On impulse which would you say you'd rather be? Dead, or living with tremendous physical pain? j s k February 22, 2020 at 9:26 am Reply from JK Yog: "Western philosophy evolved through various schools: Renaissance, Age of Enlightenment, Humanism, Empiricism, Communism, Existentialism, Skepticism, the present era is labeled as “Post-modernism” where the prevalent view is that there is no absolute truth. “All is relative”. “that may be true for you, but it’s not true for me.” Truth is seen as a personal preference or perception that cannot extend beyond a person’s individual boundaries. If there is no such thing as absolute truth, then there is no ultimate moral rightness or wrongness about anything. Such an idea is very appealing to many, but if taken to its logical extreme it proves absurd and disastrous. For example, what if it is right for someone to ignore traffic lights, even when they are red? That person will put the life of others at risk by doing what he believes is right. What if it is considered right by someone to go on a suicide-bombing mission in a heavily populated civilian area amongst people he sees as enemies? He may be fully convinced that what he is doing is correct. But does that make it right in any sense of the word? If there is no such thing as absolute truth, then no-one can really say “he should do that” or “she shouldn’t do that.” All one can say is, “A lot of people do not feel good about this action.” According to the relativist viewpoint, one might respond, “That may be true for you, but it is certainly not true for us.” These can be the ruinous ethical consequences of disregarding the belief of an absolute truth". ryublueblanka February 22, 2020 at 11:29 pm Reply Maybe the victims of chemical warfare? The atom bombs? Psychotropic medications? Eugenics??? Wilson Junior February 23, 2020 at 1:43 am Reply I love these guys. In a world that STILL lives in darkness, they share so much light. Jeff Wells February 23, 2020 at 5:07 am Reply When Christopher Hitchens was asked if he believed in free will, his answer was "Of course! I have no choice!" rkellermusic February 23, 2020 at 2:38 pm Reply “The truth has to float free from these provincial values “. SH. Susan Woodward February 23, 2020 at 11:40 pm Reply Waiting for some fundamental definitions/discriminations, which are necessary to any coherent, critical conversation with clarity: e.g. facts (most importantly), moral, morality, good, evil, truth, values. Totally agree with him, just looking to firm up the arguments. Susan Woodward February 23, 2020 at 11:43 pm Reply This discussion fails to recognize interrelationships (or any relationship for that matter) and dependent origination, and assumes "the other"as fundamentally independent – huge mistake. filmeseverin February 24, 2020 at 12:21 am Reply Think a little if Hitler, Stalin… the shooters… all the criminals, all the evil=stupid people (over history and nowadays) would have followed the main commandment from Jesus Christ (besides to love / respect our Heavenly Father) to love / respect (care for) the other humans as we love / respect (care for) ourselves all the crimes and the tremendous useless suffering would have never happen.Without true belief in God/Jesus, the following evil facts have happened, are happening and will happen:– so many millions of people killed in wars and not only (following the killing of billions in the Third World War);– the billions of poor people at the limit of subsistence versus the wealthiest (multi-billionaires in dollars, euros, etc. with the vices of money / fortune) and those millions too rich people (also with the vice of money / wealth), owning together so many trillions of dollars, euro … undeserved money, of course, wasted on unnecessary luxury and / or just kept through banks, instead of being used for: free better education for ALL, suitable jobs for ALL (without exploitation / slavery), healthier food for ALL, renewable energy, science, eradication of all diseases, financing of useful inventions, recycling, etc.– so many trillions of dollars, euros, etc. wasted on nuclear, chemical, biological and conventional weapons, on armies, etc. only for killing and destruction;– sadism, violence, dishonesty, vices, envy … stupidity in general. tedgrant2 February 24, 2020 at 10:42 am Reply I've been told that there are two different sets of The Ten Commandments in the Bible.I don't believe it. The god of Israel would only issue one Holy Set. Jo van de Kragt February 24, 2020 at 3:35 pm Reply I would like Sam Harris give an answer to the question whether eugenics are morally acceptable or morally unacceptable from a scientific point of view. Jere Lull February 25, 2020 at 3:03 am Reply Sad to say, in my life, the least "moral people I've met all expressed their religion as devout Christian; the most moral, might have been at one point, but decided to choose a morality of helping others get through life less scathed, if not unscathed. Shpongle February 25, 2020 at 5:03 am Reply He lost me at , “Hello my name is Sam.” filmeseverin February 25, 2020 at 12:06 pm Reply Only Jesus Christ (the human form of Divinity/God) has said: "I am the way, the truth and the life." He also said: "The sky and the earth won't last forever, but my words will." Matthew 24, 35 Paul, an apostle—sent not from men nor by a man, but by Jesus Christ and God the Father, who raised him from the dead […] I want you to know, brothers and sisters, that the gospel I preached is not of human origin. I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ. Every human will be judged 100% correctly and everyone will receive exactly what he/she deserves, after the forgiveness of what God/Jesus considers that can be forgiven. "For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive his due for the things done in the body, whether good or bad." 2 Corinthians 5, 10 I am telling the truth. You are free to believe it or not. God/Jesus has given us 100% freedom to choose the good side or not. All of us will be judged after we leave this material world. "Be perfect therefore, as your Heavenly Father is perfect" Matthew 5, 48 Unfortunately, too many people have refused over history, and too many still refuse nowadays, to follow this. Watch entirely: "NDE- ATHEIST PROFESSOR (Berkeley Grad) dies, sees HELL! Best testimony EVER! Howard Storm Interview" All the best! filmeseverin February 25, 2020 at 4:33 pm Reply Regarding the Bible, it could have been altered very easily by evil humans (tools of the fallen angels), over history, to manipulate people, but a true Christian follows the goodness of Jesus Christ and ignores those possible manipulated texts, mainly from the Old Testament. However, any sincere enough person can recognize the truth from the Bible. For example, most unbelievers do not know the "Parable of the weeds". The fallen angels have created all the evil living things such as: parasites, viruses, bad bacteria …, besides all insects and animals that kill other insects or animals, also the bad instincts in humans (the reptilian brain), by altering our DNA (since the "apple" event mentioned in the Bible). Initially all insects, animals etc. were feeding only with plants (plants products, such as fruits, nectar, seeds etc.). Humans had to continue living after betraying the Creator, by listening to His enemy, Satan, who is actually the god of this world, in a Creation corrupted by the fallen angels, after the Creator "has abandoned" this planet to let us see how evil, humans without God/Jesus, can be. We see this everyday and suffer the bad consequences of the stupid=evil people's deeds, tools of Satan. The fallen angels, being sadistic, have altered the DNA of most living things (including us) to do as default both: reproduce uncontrollably (as much as they can) and fight (kill) each other. Unfortunately, they love to see living things suffering, especially human beings suffering. The Bible mentions clearly that Satan is the god of this world (for example in Corinthians). Therefore, all havoc, all stupidity=evilness, respectively all the useless suffering etc. and immorality/promiscuity are sustained by the fallen angels, ruled by Satan. We still can live and even be happy sometimes, in this short earthly life, because of God's mercy and love for us, which keeps some limitations for the fallen angels, otherwise Apocalypse will happen. The fallen angels want to destroy us since our conception (actually, all the time in any way possible), because of their hatred for God. That is why they make us suffer, as much as possible, by using our stupidity and the stupidity of the other people around us. Satan, the one who deceives the whole world (Rev. 12:9), wants to corrupt, pervert, and twist everything what God has made. Anyone should know already the main commandment from Jesus Christ (the human form of Divinity), to love / respect (care for) the other humans as we love / respect (care for) ourselves, besides the 10 commandments. Also the commandment from God to not use freedom wrongly (for evil), "For it is God’s will that by doing good you should silence the ignorance of foolish men. Live in freedom, but do not use your freedom as a cover-up for evil; live as servants of God." 1 Peter 2,15 In addition, God (the Creator) is perfect. "Be perfect therefore, as your Heavenly Father is perfect" Matthew 5, 48 All the parts that contradict the above truths are alterations done by the tools of Satan, over the last about 2000 years, to manipulate humans. The Word February 26, 2020 at 7:09 am Reply No they are not Athiests, if they WERE, they would not be here trying to corrupt and destroy believers in GOD, Athiest WOULD NOT cARE that 80% of the world believes in a GOD, who they believe DONT exist, and would not seek to change followers of GOD to change from believing in what athiest believes is NOTHING that dont exist to believe in Nothing … as they foolishly believe, denying hard, factual evidence and proof that exist all over the world, proving GOD, or Jesus… SO, WHY do ATHIEST CARE TO CONVERT CHRISTIANS from believing in something they call Imaginary and non existent into beliving into nothing ? and spend all of their life, time arguing it, debating what they consider imaginary to convince you to follow nothing, based upon false beliefs and lies of theirs …. cause anything they say IS A LIE because it is about NOTHING so, cannot be a valid statement and THUS ALL ATHEISTS debates and Existence is LOGICALLY FALSE … and as SAM HARRIS SAYS ATHEIST are not FREE THINKERS, just stupid unthinking meat robots with NO FREEWILL incapable of THINKING … THERE YOU GO … YOUR GOD, FALSE GOD Sam Harris, your smartest Arse say you stupid braindead Piece of dead meat .. that dont exist, and have no thoughts or freewill AS YOU SEE, as i just explained … THEY ARE REALLY STUPID and DONT THINK …. about what they claim to be or doing per their faulty opinion which is false and based upon lies … Lets pray, they learn enough wisdom to see truth from their lies, or kick their own arse everyday out of stupidity until they open their eyes, ears and heart …. before becoming a fiery burnt pile of Meat Assh in the Lake of Fire that is nothing but eternally dead,and STUPID DEAD tedgrant2 February 26, 2020 at 4:59 pm Reply Some Christians are trying to discredit Atheists by saying they are not Atheists !Others claim that somebody has been mucking about with the Bible !Examples of these desperately silly claims can be seen below…. Dévd Jemáz February 28, 2020 at 3:00 am Reply BLASPHEMYYYYY tedgrant2 February 28, 2020 at 8:49 am Reply Then one day, you are sitting in Church, your eyes are closed, the pastor is speaking seductively, especially to you and a funny feeling comes over you, your fingers tingle and you feel joyful at last.Yes, yes YES ! It is all true, there really is a god and his son has really saved you and you really will live for ever, and there really were many saints that got up out their graves and walked into town ! Leave a Reply Cancel Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment.