【This isn’t ART?】Studying Art at University


The picture you see me working on right now
wouldn’t be considered art by some people. By my professors to be more precise. As some of you might know I have been studying
art in germany for some years now, while I always mention that in regard of skill and
technique it never really had an impact on me, maybe in the way of how I approach and
think about art. So first let me give you an idea how I define
art. My definition for art is that everything is
art as long there is one person claiming it to be, even if it is just the creator themselves. It just varies in value. I don’t see the point in fighting over what
to call art just because I don’t understand or like it. It can be art even if, to me personally, it
has no meaning or value, so no need to argue over terms. Anyway.it began around a year ago where I
would take artwork like this to my colloquies, well knowing that they wouldn’t be the favourites
among the professor. Over the years I already had an idea of what
those people want to see in their seminars, speaking of course only for my university. And to be approved, I felt one of the conditions
was that your work can’t look pretty on a conventional level. With that in mind I submitted my work and
the feedback was pretty devastating. I thought they would at least say a word or
two about the execution, or something about my choice of colors, but they actually ignored
this stuff completely. It was mainly about how it was too tacky,
tasteless and how it would lack my personality and therefore anybody could do that. The last part really bugged me though, since
even if the motif doesn’t necessarily convey a personal story of mine. It still shows something of me: why would
I choose to draw this image, why those colors. What am I interested in? There is a lot of question you can ask that
bring you closer to an artist even if there is no direct connection to a personal anecdote. But…back to the topic. I expected the critique wouldn’t be to my
liking, though I was surprised that there was not a single word encouraging me to continue
this way. They advised me to go more abstract, leave
more to chance. At that point I knew that I needed to draw
a line between my casual work and the stuff I needed to do for university. I didn’t want to give up on the work that
I was regularly doing and so I decided to only take work done especially for the profs
liking to university, which was a more difficult process than I thought. I started internalizing the critique and worked
on a project where I would paint random people in a very free manner, like you can see on
screen right now. A limited palette would give a more abstract
feel to it and overall I didn’t really care about the accurate depiction of the people
I tried to paint. After I finished a few, I went to the colloquy
again. And again it wasn’t to their liking: The
pictures looked to forced and the color palette was still too harmonic, that they would feel
my intention was to produce something that people could consider art. Something for them. ________________ So again they gave me advice to work on more
personal stuff and that I should leave more white spaces, or how it is called “negative
space. And I did. I tried to think of something personal that
I could combine with drawing faces. Fortunately, I have a twin brother so I thought
I could do a series of self portraits that play with the fact that you might could not
directly be able to tell if it was me or my brother. Playing the twin card felt quite awkward,
but I couldn’t really identify the problem they had with the lack of personality in my
work, so I thought this could be it. After all it appeared that it was just an
empty phrase because when I showed them the project, all of the sudden they were all about
my working process. They criticized that I was using an eraser. That I wouldn’t be confident enough letting
mistakes on the paper or even declare something a mistake by using an eraser in the first
place. So the essence now was that I shouldn’t
use a pencil and just work with plain color. With that given I didn’t really care about
the motif anymore. They told me I should look up marlene dumas
work, and after watching some interviews with her I thought that I could also just go with
famous people. I listened to a lot of crystal castles and
since alice glass looks quite artsy I chose her to be the subject for the next project. I would randomly pick photos from google image
search and choose aggressive or unsuitable colors and sketch randomly anything that caught
my interest, leading to a bunch of images that were done in 2 days. Exams were getting close and I chose this
to be the project for it. And what can I say it all went in a pretty
strange direction. There was a second auditor I had never really
met before and so he asked me where I was coming from regarding my early works. Apparently you had to take some old stuff
of yours as well but apart from the fact that nobody told me I didn’t even want to show
it because I knew it wouldn’t help me. He insisted that he couldn’t score me without
seeing the progress I made, so I succumbed to his demand and showed him my deviantart
on the tablet, that of course was full of manga work, which he of course had to spring
at like a vulture. What if I told you that stuff like this isn’t
art? Yeah, that question again… Nevertheless, I must say I was surprised how
quickly it went there because I felt it was a really cliche move for an art professor. I told him that people have asked that question
about a lot of things over the past centuries and time proves that definitions and people
change. It didn’t stop there, I found myself now
in a situation comparable to a questioning, where one Auditor would ask a question and
the other one would shoot another one not even looking for an answer. So they asked me if I went to conventions,
what I would do there, would I sell my work. They asked me if I talked to people about
studying art. And I answered yes of course if people were
curious but I would also tell them I study german language as well because I will become
a teacher, and then they criticized me for that, because it would reduce my credibility
as an artist. But I think the most bizarre question was
when the professor wondered if I had any political views at all, implying that my work was too
immature for me to be an informed individual. What should take 20 minutes took almost an
hour and I went out of the room for them too deliberate. After all the exam was scored with an A-,
which considering the average of that exam, was a pretty bad grade. They told me it was due to the fact that I
got lost during my explanations. The stains on paper I did were exquisite but
it all took so long so they had to detract points…I mean seriously?? I didn’t even want to talk about that stuff,
that’s why I didn’t bring it with me in the first place. The only thing that calmed (alfons fist shaking)
me was that these grades are just on paper and don’t really have an impact on anything. But still this was an experience that taught
me a lesson and made me think about the whole topic of studying art and why it all went
in that direction. When you begin studying and you have no idea
what to draw the profs always tell you to work on something that you love, that interests
you and that you feel good about, so when you talk about it you can sell it authentically
and if needed answer questions. If manga is your topic though, or as I like
to put it anything that could be considered beautiful by a lot of people and especially
you, the opinion of the prof drastically changes and I feel that is due to various reasons. First, the profs often live in their own art
bubble, so they never really got in touch with matters like manga or pop culture work
in the first place. They often think that people are plainly copying,
not recognizing different signatures, approaches or styles. It’s like when you show me a bunch of abstract
paintings. Out of comfort I would say they all look the
same and I feel that is often what they are doing. Another reason is that they go with the flow
that is dictated by the market, while constantly denying a market in the first place, in order
to keep you neutral and authentic. So when they say “do what you feel passionate
about but don’t do manga or plain pretty pictures” it is because they think about
what sells. Professors consider art like manga or just
pretty pictures like the one you are seeing right now often to be tacky or just commercial
and therefore inauthentic and without deeper meaning. Illustrating – for them – is just a service done for the
money. It’s unlikely for it to be part of the galleries
that these professors are visiting, thus it’s not bringing money on the art market and thus
it’s not art. The ambivalence of this is that they judge
commercial art for being part of a market while they try to push you only to fit into
another market. I mean if art is as free as they claim it
to be they could just let you do your manga or pretty things. But again, this is just how I feel about it
and what I concluded out of my experience. Uni still isn’t over. I will work on my bachelor very soon and I
don’t think there will be a change over the next years, at least for the situation
where I live. So what do you think is the reason for the
limitation of art, if there is any. Maybe you have had different experiences,so
feel free to tell me in the comments. Thank you very much for watching, for subscribing
and maybe even supporting me on patreon 🙂 If you are interested in more of my art related
opinions let me know in the comments.

100 Comments

  1. Paul Hughes

    September 19, 2019 at 11:26 am

    The Definition of Art: Free dictionary –

    1.
    a. The conscious use of the imagination in the production of objects intended to be contemplated or appreciated as beautiful, as in the arrangement of forms, sounds, or words.
    b. Such activity in the visual or plastic arts: takes classes in art at the college.
    c. Products of this activity; imaginative works considered as a group: art on display in the lobby.
    2. A field or category of art, such as music, ballet, or literature.
    3. A nonscientific branch of learning; one of the liberal arts.
    4. A skill that is attained by study, practice, or observation: the art of negotiation. See Synonyms at skill.
    5.
    a. arts Artful devices, stratagems, and tricks.
    b. Artful contrivance; cunning.
    6. Printing Illustrative material, especially in contrast to text.

  2. SheiLu

    September 20, 2019 at 2:13 pm

    This is the reason I didn’t wanna go to art school

  3. strawberry smith

    September 21, 2019 at 9:34 am

    that's beautiful. :3 <3

  4. John Martin

    September 21, 2019 at 12:21 pm

    Sorry but nicely coloured paintings may be art in the traditional sense, but not today.

    I agree that definitions are tiresome and most modern art is trash but really coloured portraits don’t have a lot of value because there’s no imagination there.

    If that’s what you wanted to make then you shouldn’t be studying art at university. Illustration is always an option.

  5. tessa hartman

    September 22, 2019 at 12:29 am

    When it comes to expressing oneself through art I find that people tend to find one common subject matter throughout all their pieces whether it's portraits, landscapes, flowers, etc. Then comes the style: abstract, realism, manga, etc. Those two things can tell a lot about a person as is. What they enjoy in life and how they view the world. Beyond that, finding a real solid meaning behind a single piece of work without an artist out right saying it is kind of uncommon. Georgia O'Keefe painted extreme close ups of flowers. Can you really say what one individual painting means? Can you say what one painting of flower expresses? No. But you can look at his work and style as a whole and find meaning in it. Not every piece an artist makes has to have some bold statement or deep meaning. It's kind of toxic to teach this ideal that art has to have a personal/emotional meaning behind it to actually be good. In my opinion people who cram some wacky meaning behind every piece of work they've done just to elevate it is tacky.

    Sorry for the rant. I'm just passionate.

  6. David Diaz

    September 22, 2019 at 3:37 am

    Punch him in the face and tell him instead of shaking your hand I decided to go abstract.

  7. Thom B

    September 22, 2019 at 6:01 pm

    I guarantee you that the longer you do it, the less you will care what other people think. I hope you never apologize – or are forced to apologize – to anyone for your art.

  8. Living Word Designs Art Studio

    September 23, 2019 at 3:28 pm

    Maybe if we all band together we can bring back traditional art. I'm not going to let my skills go to waste creating "abstract" junk.

  9. Ngọc Anh Phạm Nguyễn

    September 23, 2019 at 5:20 pm

    The professionals aren’t artists ya know:))

  10. Kill Me

    September 24, 2019 at 5:23 pm

    I had a former university professor for a highschool art teacher and she was absolutely the same way. She hated everything we drew, she would yank my pencil out of my hand and erase my work to put the lines down the way SHE wanted. I stopped taking art classes and started learning REAL art instead of "industry art" as I call it. My progress might be a good deal slower, but I don't agree or believe in confining art. There's ALWAYS somewhere or someone interested in buying what your making, it doesn't always have to be galleries and art shows

  11. Anstasia Šovanek

    September 25, 2019 at 8:12 am

    If anyone wants to know more about this, this art is considered 'Kitsch'. But I wouldn't agree on that. I would describe kitsch as something that took little to no effort (not just time, but creativity, imagination, preparing) or is copied. Even great artist like William-Adolphe Bouguereau has a paiting considered Kitsch at that time… Be objective, listen to your teachers but keep doing things that you believe in!

  12. Alex DeLarge

    September 25, 2019 at 3:28 pm

    Dude the girl that you have painted is something that i would tattoo on my body, even though I am not a tattoo fan (but appreciate people with good ideas for tattoos)! If you ask me all those impotent "professors" are not worthy for the gift of life!

  13. Bernd Warnders

    September 28, 2019 at 1:37 pm

    @Laovaan: you had some quite unknowledgeable and, frankly, s****y professors… my sincerer condolences

  14. chuck hassel

    September 29, 2019 at 3:18 am

    You’re amazing man!

  15. Neal Tse

    September 30, 2019 at 2:31 pm

    Sounds like your professors are a bunch of assholes. Every artist in history had to create according to market or patron demands or they couldn't make a living. Unless your professors think that art can only be made by rich people who don't have to please anyone.

  16. Kaizerin Nijhar

    October 1, 2019 at 12:50 pm

    I hate professors and teachers who want us to paint like them . Everyone has their own ways of expressing art .

  17. Hunter Terrell

    October 2, 2019 at 1:11 pm

    Don't listen to the haters man

  18. Mr G Mesh

    October 2, 2019 at 6:27 pm

    I think i know what your teacher meant. I'm no artist so i clearly don't know what i'm talking about. But still i think i know why this is not art.

  19. GummeBear

    October 3, 2019 at 6:57 pm

    Draws something that looks like u used cgi . Professor : its not art . Shits on white canvas and let it dry . Professor: Damn this is amazing a++

  20. asifbih

    October 4, 2019 at 10:27 am

    Pretentious people be like that.The whole thing reminds me of the brand GUCCI. Established a name and then releases one ugly thing after another but everyone thinks it looks good because the people in power said so. Your art is gorgeous. I would never purchase an ugly looking design over an aesthetically pleasing one. They can say it's not “real art” but the rest of us know damn well we'd rather look at that in our home than anything THEY consider “art”.

  21. Josefine Valeur Jaques

    October 4, 2019 at 7:21 pm

    Some of the abstract portraits you did were really stunning! Just wow

  22. Urnusse Lemage

    October 5, 2019 at 2:18 am

    If you think something isnt art just because you dont like it, you are a failure as an artist. Your teachers shouldnt teach art.

  23. MannaElinor

    October 5, 2019 at 9:25 am

    Absolutely beautiful. Such talent. They’re jealous imho

  24. Pipinss DD

    October 5, 2019 at 11:52 am

    If that professor happens to be my professor too? I might not draw forever. Lol

  25. Heather Haub

    October 6, 2019 at 12:07 am

    Art is subjective. No one should have the right to decide what is considered art and what isn’t. If you create something with your own hands, it is art. Whether you like it or not is a matter of opinion. I don’t feel schools or teachers should grade you based on your style just because they themselves don’t like/agree with it. We all see the world differently and as artists we each interpret it differently. The school system is flawed.

  26. FurredDragon

    October 6, 2019 at 10:28 pm

    My opinon? I've only started in art and not good. I think the only limitation of art is emotion and what you can physical do with the work. Traditionally art is painting, drawing, sculpture, and photos, many other ways are harder or not as common to convey emotion, so I suppose that's why art is made in the same format time after time with only changing the tools.

  27. Kate O

    October 7, 2019 at 9:03 pm

    I like your idea about what makes art. I might adopt it. I'm sorry you experienced so much discouragement and so little encouragement. Your work is beautiful. I'm impressed that you are continuing in school and that shows you are a real artist. I have trouble considering the words of your professors to be anything but the enemies of art. It's good to make people think, challenge them…but an open mind is not demonstrated by closing oneself off to the past, to whole categories, to establishments.

  28. 南雲Haruya

    October 8, 2019 at 8:25 am

    Traditional art is superior, you can't change my mind on this. If you tell me that a style akin to Rembrandt is inferior to a style like Jeff Koons, that's absurd.

    Abstract art when done by artists who have proven they can execute the traditional style flawlessly, is fine. But abstract artists who are more appreciated/respected than traditional artists just for the sake of it, that is just a joke.

  29. Nae Slayer

    October 8, 2019 at 5:23 pm

    This isn’t art and what is art is often a way of the art world to suppress people’s views

  30. nefercheres

    October 8, 2019 at 11:16 pm

    I don't see the point of teaching art in the way of saying what's wrong and what's right. It seems the universities are just full of douchebags who want to bring you down and criticize for the smallest things. They should challenge you, teach you different techniques and help develop your own style.

  31. Arianna Dagostino

    October 9, 2019 at 8:09 am

    I went to art school as well and I graduated. But I couldn't really be myself there. I had to use an illustration style that they liked, even though I didn't like it. It was very simple and minimalistic, like doodling style, using only lines and a few colours. Somehow all teachers like minimalism, they think it's so "original and genius" and I don't know why. For my final project I wanted to be myself and do something more elaborated: complex designs, using colours. But my teachers completely disagreed. They saw my work and said "this is not you, this is pathetic". I was so angry because I couldn't go ahead unless I worked like they wanted. I graduated with a project that I don't really like, because of their stupid minimalism that they wanted. Now I'm doing my own art and I'm experimenting more stuff and I feel like I'm improving a lot.

  32. Kpop Tea

    October 9, 2019 at 8:08 pm

    there isnt no false in art

  33. V :3

    October 10, 2019 at 3:59 am

    In my country's (public and only) fine arts college there are no grades for you can't grade someone's expression, it just doesn't make sense

  34. Corina Gabriela

    October 10, 2019 at 8:31 am

    people tend to think abstract art is real art, while dismissing the rest. i had the same trouble in high school. most of the teachers are part of a very old generation that believe you should make some spattered thing and that's art, like picasso. people tend to forget the fact that ART IS SUBJECTIVE. Anything can be art, from the abstract things (that i personally do not find art, because anyone can make a splat and sell it saying some deep meaning under all that, to impress; technically isn't abstract art also very common and anyone can do that? so technically it's not art if we go by that concept 🙂 ) to the recent styles, such as manga. Hey, even animation can be art, because people are drawing it and it's really difficult to make, i'd like to see the teachers try to create a complex animation by themselves. I think for art to be free in the true sense, people should define art in a larger scale and with an open definition: anything that can be made on any medium is art. you made a rusted sculpture? it's art. you made a digital drawing of a goddess? it's art. you made a commercial poster in Mucha's style? it's art. you are creating a comic? it's art! because the manga style actually derives from the former ukio-e paintings in japan. it's a matter of perspective and stubbornness. Teachers like to produce a generation of sellers, not artists. if they would be accepting and open minded towards the constant art trends that are changing and evolving, maybe they could better guide people in becoming better artists. but individuality in art has yet to arise at a school level. individuality is achieved on the side for many artists. maybe i'm wrong and i'm talking rubbish, but seriously teachers should start being more open minded about what art is instead of defining it from their own little bubble.

  35. Mr Wrappy mc wrap face

    October 10, 2019 at 8:37 am

    First lesson to any art student. Don’t go to college to ‘study’ it.

  36. Morgana

    October 10, 2019 at 9:54 am

    Los dibujos manga son un espanto. Aprende de tus profesores en vez de querer vengarte porque te reprobaron. Gracias al cielo no dibujaste una mierda manga. Saludos cordiales.

  37. Cloe Ries

    October 10, 2019 at 12:06 pm

    I went to art school in Luxembourg and had the exact same problem. My art teacher considered that only the things he liked or the things that were often seen in museums were real art. And the rest wasn't. I only stayed 1 year in that school before I left, because all those opinions and restrictions on how I should draw frustrated me. I don't need a diploma to be able to create art or just be an Artist.
    Btw, your works are fantastic!

  38. puma21puma21

    October 11, 2019 at 4:18 pm

    wasting money on an art degree is a no

  39. Luzanne Gericke

    October 11, 2019 at 6:35 pm

    To art professors, art is about offending. Whether it's an eyesore, explicit, or political, is what matters to them. They want people to react negatively to the work. Buyers buy 'real art' out of spite for those who dislike it.

  40. Adela Lazur

    October 11, 2019 at 7:32 pm

    I really like abstract art, it is more emotional then realistic art cartoon (manga). It can give you this catharsis feeling. HOWEVER I was also denied from art, because I like ornaments. In the end I decided to study something else.

  41. Elisabeth Reichstamm

    October 11, 2019 at 7:56 pm

    hoffe du hast aufgehört dort zu studieren

  42. Tasya Nabila

    October 12, 2019 at 12:42 am

    I think about this a lot. So there was one time where I talked about this with my relative (he's an artist. Self-taught and he has very big circle of artists) and he said. "Every drawing that has a meaning is art. Even if you draw with no intention it also art. If you like abstract painting, it's art. If you like manga it's also art. In the end it all depends on the people's perspective."

    (Sorry for my English OwO)

  43. ohifonlyx33

    October 12, 2019 at 8:48 am

    I think it was Aristotle who held a teleological view of the world which suggests that everything and everyone has an intended purpose. That line of thought leads me to ask "what is the purpose of art"… the answer can be different from person to person and piece to piece, but the main thing is that it fulfills its purpose. If it was made for fun, was it fun? If it was made for beauty, is it beautiful? If it was made to convey truth and meaning, does it convey truth and meaning? If it faithfully accomplishes the goal for which it was intended, then it has succeeded… but if its end goal is not a good one, well that is another issue entirely.

    …that's also why I don't really like most abstract art… I'm not sure what it's purpose is, because it doesn't necessarily accomplish it, in my eyes. But if I had to guess, it's purpose is chaotic and not really aligned with my own intrinsic values. Anyway, that's just my thoughts.

  44. Viviana _chisana

    October 12, 2019 at 9:13 pm

    That exactly what professor keeps telling me of my art it so abstract we dont want that it doesn’t work we need more effort less is more in design and we i do less they say put more like wthh agh then I realize i need to do as they want not less not more just right because this could extremely affect my grades if i argue with them its pretty hard to find that one professor who appreciates art in it forms

  45. Monika Ciegowski

    October 12, 2019 at 10:17 pm

    in my opinion art shows some skill. no matter how the result looks like. it can be a skill of mind or a skill of handscraft. In both cases it shoud transport a good message.

    meiner meinung nach ist Kunst etwas, dem man Können ansehen kann. Egal wie das Objekt dabei aussieht. Es sollte eine Botschaft haben ( in jedem Fall ), nicht zu faul gedacht sein ( zb. irgendeinen Shit zu fotografieren der irgendwo herumsteht ) (( es sei denn, man baut darauf eine Geschichte oder gute Botschaft auf, die durchaus etwas Hirngrips abverlangt)) und oder handwerkliches Können zeigen.

    Das gezeichnete Gesicht oben, oder Sachen abzeichnen abmalen ist eher Kitsch, Hintergrund für etwas, Übungen, Dekoration.
    Wenn etwas einfach nur hübsch aussehen soll und nur irgendetwas dekorieren, dann ist es mmn keine Kunst, auch wenn es aufwändig gemacht wurde.

  46. Dionysis Larson

    October 12, 2019 at 10:50 pm

    I've learned more about perfecting my own art from people like you and videos like this than from any 'teacher'. This whole not art thing, I've noticed, has more to do with the teacher justifying their own 'areas of expertise'. Fore if others can create an art form that they don't teach, what are their justifications for being a teacher?

  47. ECE DÜLGER

    October 13, 2019 at 5:06 pm

    I really liked your "art" and yes this is "art".Don't care your professors

  48. Michael Vaughn

    October 14, 2019 at 1:59 am

    These people wouldn't call mucha , klemt, schiele artist eather so fuck them .

  49. Lunyiea

    October 14, 2019 at 2:50 am

    These professors obviously can not judge what art really is. Painting, for example, has always been primarily a craft. The totally abstract stuff and smudge came later. A work that is so elaborate and beautiful, like this one in your video, this is of course art! In my opinion a lot of pieces in galleries today are overpriced smeareds with paint, without real craftsmanship … Some of these could have painted a blind monkey. 😅

    At that time I deliberately decided against the art college. Of course, art should be free! That is what artists have always been fighting for. That is(!) why today there 'is' even abstract art. And now suddenly beauty is no longer art? I would say 'twisted world'. But it remains the same, that there are people who are believing they are allowed to determine what is art and what is not.

    In my personal eyes, art is always accompanied by ability. That's why your works are art to me. And much of what is called art today is just a smear to me. 🙏

    Modern art is okay. It's art, too. Personally I don't like it. 🙃

  50. TcgLionHeart

    October 14, 2019 at 2:32 pm

    Contemporary art: "This is fucking trash, whats your meaning? Why isn't it abstract? You don't understand art."
    Technical art: "That's fucking sick dude! Oh my God I wish I was you! Yo, do you sell this? It's great."

  51. Rita Szűcs

    October 14, 2019 at 5:41 pm

    It infuriates me whenever people underestimates art or just simply don't want to understand. Yeah there are a lot of shitty examples when a simple painting (few lines and stuff) solds for a lot of money and because of these people thinks they are right and that modern art is shit.
    But seriously, you can't really define art. It means a lot of things and it's different for other people. For me, art has value.Even if it's theoritical value, it's there. But the most important thing is that what art means to the artist itself. For me art means freedom. Tha ability to make art WHEN I want, WHAT I want and HOW I want it. To not be told what to make or have a deadline. I want to enjoy creating things, drawing, photography or writing. Doesn't matter.
    So even if you think the actual work you are seeing isn't art, be aware that for someone else it means a lot. And it is art.

  52. Mach Shfive

    October 14, 2019 at 9:44 pm

    Hello! I know this is an old video, but I felt like I needed to say something about this.
    What professors are referring to is fine art, not just art in general.
    The way you talk about the feedback that you have received, I can tell that something isn't clicking. Everything they said is correct, but maybe they didn't explain it in the correct way.
    You definitely have skill, you know how to draw, you know how to paint, you're very talented. But it's missing essential stuff to make this into Fine Art. The point of my comment is fine art is more than just a visual painting and if you aren't interested in fine art, then don't worry about anything the teachers have to say! You do your thing, have fun, that's what matters.
    However, if you ARE interested in fine art: they are correct, this is not fine art.
    If you want to learn more, keep asking them to explain themselves until you understand WHY they are saying what they are saying.
    Good luck, and keep it up!

  53. LuckyCat

    October 15, 2019 at 11:22 pm

    I was In a special art Profil at school and my teacher hated Anime, but he NEVER said that I should stop drawing that. He jusk made me comfortable to do realistic art too. After 4 years I was one of his best students and he started to like my style of mixing realism with Anime. It's good to be open to everything, but I still hate to do abstract works. It's just ugly to me. Why learning for years to mess up everything you had learn? For me abstract work ist something everybody could do, because all the rules are broken, so what would be the point to learn it..? Years ago they made abstract work to make fun of all the things people wantet to see in a gallery. But what's the point, when everybody is doing that? Art is when someone looks at it and think 'Wow.', when they think about it. My goal in art is to make my fantasies real and get people into hole different worlds..

    I guess it's just the difference perspective of why you do art. Personal, I will never understand Abstract art, but there will be Abtract artist who will think bad of my art and that's fine. But you should never force yourself to something you don't like. It's my dream to study art, but I could not take it, if they would try to rip my the 'me' away from my art. That could be the problem, because I guess everybody likes another kind of art and some categories seem just wrong to them… I'm not trying to offend anybody. It's just the way we work.

    I love your work, it's beautiful just the way it is and I see no need to change it just to get a degree. I mean you get a degree for making art that is not you, so it's in my thoughts not really yours. But what do I know, I'm just a highschooler with no idea how life works.

    Sorry for writting such a long text, hope you all have a nice day.

  54. speedychi 1412

    October 16, 2019 at 7:20 pm

    Auf welcher Universität warst du?

  55. Rafeal Smith

    October 17, 2019 at 3:41 am

    Pfft!… These so call art professor who keep egging on you sounds very pretentious, and high minded. They sound like they lean far too much on the whole "true art is incomprehensible" bullcrap… It sounds like they're trying to push their own personal high standardss, and ideals of what art is on you. My advice, continue doing what you love drawing/painting while at the same time keep improving on your style.

  56. Heorteji

    October 18, 2019 at 7:00 am

    This is why when I was working as a substitute art teacher for 5th, 6th and 7th graders, I just told them to throw away whatever the other teachers were saying and just make whatever they felt like making. Sure I would teach them techniques if they asked for it, but I can not teach them what to make, I can only teach them how oil, water and pigment works. I taught them art history to prove a point about how art is defined retrospective and not by contemporary standards.
    Brilliant video! Brilliant painting. I would buy your work to put up my house!

  57. Kelin Naidoo

    October 18, 2019 at 4:26 pm

    In my opinion, as someone who draws realistic I prefer realism because it really takes skill and determination to draw something realistic and in my case I don't just draw realistic art just for fun, I like to do it with passion and love. Abstract art really does not suit me, it saddens me that people prefer to buy something that has nothing in it but a plain white canvas for millions of dollars and not appreciate something like realism which does contain beauty and skill.

  58. T H

    October 18, 2019 at 4:27 pm

    so beautiful pictures are not art ?

  59. Ashbasher22 NERD

    October 19, 2019 at 5:27 pm

    Traditional Art is one of the most versatile forms of drawing ever, with the way it is able to produce countless masterpieces, up there with classical music and traditional animation as pure gems we all should cherish.

    The ones that say that they are not art are complete elitist jackasses who deserve to be in mental institutions.

  60. Arrogant Mischief

    October 19, 2019 at 9:23 pm

    Thank you so much for this video…
    I'm studying art at university (it's my second year) and this year I felt that in a lot of class, the teachers telling us that illustration isn't art, that you can't be too "cliché" or conventionnal because it's not personnal, etc… And I'm so pissed to hear that every week (and most of my classmate are tired of this too). The last week I had several drawings to make for the exposition which is noted, and I was so pissed by this teacher especially, that I made my work with no heart, no conviction, I put 1:30 min by drawing, doing full shit on my paper. And I got 17/20 and she was like "oooh I can see there is a very personnal thing in this one" or "this one is really a masterpiece" and I was just fucking disgusted because first of all it was all bullshit and hypocrite, and because some of my classmates who made wonderfull drawings had a lower note than mine because she found it "too academic" or "too illustration". I hate my studies this year. There is only one class where I can progress and work on things I want (academic drawing, proportion, etc…) but it's only 2 hours per week. I feel sad, because I don't have the level in drawing that I want and I was expecting so much on progressing thanks to my studies. But except for one teacher last year and one teacher this year, I don't work on anything that can make me do better.
    So thank you for your words, because I feel less alone about this !

  61. Reem Isa

    October 19, 2019 at 11:28 pm

    It takes skill to project your aura and emotional energy into a drawing. If your self expression is limited to your hand skills and personal desire of what to draw based on what is appealing to you then perhaps I understand where they’re coming from.

  62. ReineckeFuchs

    October 20, 2019 at 3:18 pm

    Wow, I just stumbled upon this video and it displays the exact situation I'm in right now. I want to study communication design in Germany and my passion to draw are Mangas and beautiful fantastical pictures as I consider those parts of my mind I want to show to the world. When I went to a course to help me with my application mapp I was quickly shot down. The professor firstly said that my work as you said was too unoriginal and conventional and lacked personality since Manga is something you see everywhere. To the pieces which weren't manga I was told they were too tacky and to conventionally "pretty".
    Now I'm pretty unsure what to show them, because I don't at all consider my work tacky or conventional, since I put a lot of thought, personality and meaning for myself into them and now I have to change my complete approach…
    But hearing about your experience made me feel less lonely in this situation and gave me new courage to keep going.
    This comment has gotten very long I'm sorry, but if you did read it then thank you for taking the time ^^

  63. World Peace

    October 20, 2019 at 8:14 pm

    Well mangas as such are certainly not art aimed for galleries. They are aimed to be printed are otherwise copied in high quantities at low price. Things that are put into galleries have to have uniqueness to them as they are not aimed to be circulated and hence have to cone at a higher price. That said the value of art doesn’t necessarily correlates with the price tag but the price tag certainly does with uniqueness of the medium you use for your art and the uniqueness as piece.

  64. KingFluffs

    October 20, 2019 at 8:16 pm

    Should literally shit in a can. It'll get put in an art museum and get bidders at an auction. I'm not joking, it really happened.

  65. Mirus

    October 21, 2019 at 9:56 am

    I think the time art becomes limiting is when you let others dictate to you what you should create and be considered art and what sells. I consider manga as art if you ask me. Manga still has a basis of the real world, only the characters are distorted to fit the style the maker of that manga. Why choose those things for your style or art? It's your art for the love of all creations in this universe.

  66. Kala Cheeta

    October 23, 2019 at 10:16 am

    I am an art student also.
    And my professor told me that everything you see in your surroundings the trees and mountains. Canno't be considered art but because it is a God's creation but rather an art is a human creation. Those are done by artistic hands are what you considered art.

  67. Jonathan G

    October 23, 2019 at 4:26 pm

    I guess when you're still learning, they encourage trying various things, as a lot of students perhaps already come from a comic background. I also was at art school.

    Your style isn't that manga, looks like you've done plenty of life drawing and using that skill very well!

  68. Stella Shakti

    October 23, 2019 at 10:33 pm

    F*** those teachers (excuse my french)

  69. Just a random person.

    October 24, 2019 at 3:12 pm

    Ok so first off, obviously the teachers should have been more informed about pop culture, manga and graphic novels because they do take place in the art world in the works of artists like Andy Wharol to say the most obvious, but also Takeshi Murakami or Jeff Koons for example.

    But to be fair, those artists use this specific form of culture fully knowing what they do ; they theorize and reflect and challenge the society we live in with it.

    But that's not what you did there. You dont seem to want to challenge the barriers between pop culture and intelectual, elitist culture.
    You dont have a political aim, actually you dont seem to have an aim at all, when a big part of being an art student is asking yourself "why do I do what I do ? Why did I choose this way of doing it ? How do I connect to the world around me with it ?".

    You're just drawing them as you go and you can absolutely continue to do that, but you cant really complain about your work not being recognised as art when you didnt even want to be included in the art world to begin with.
    Even when the teachers asked you to experiment you only did it to please them, not to challenge your boundaries. You only had scores in mind.

    Art teachers except nothing of you, they want to be surprised, to see new things, to see what interesting stuff you can add to this world.

    You said it yourself : you're drawing manga and pretty pictures, and that's exactly what they are, no more and no less.

    Art is different : it doesnt have to be beautiful or skillful, it only needs to be interesting.
    Artists are people that are deeply connected to the social and political world around them; they're not just in their own little bubble drawing pretty things.
    They need to be here and now and to try to do something with the world we live in because if they dont who will ?

    So no, I dont think its wrong to not consider what you do as art.
    It doesnt mean its bad, it doesnt mean it has no value, it only means its more of a creative work than an artistic one. You were just in the wrong school considering your work ; illustration oriented schools or more professional creative majors would have been perfectly fine with what you do.
    Meanwhile, if I had to follow your definition of art, then you would just be a bad artist.

    Also saying abstract stuff is what sell is a little easy, like come on artists have been doing abstract paintings since 1910, its not exactly groundbreaking anymore…

  70. Chase Sandman

    October 24, 2019 at 4:47 pm

    Good to know this also happens in the so called "1st world"

  71. LoneWolf's Art

    October 24, 2019 at 6:06 pm

    That painting is Amazing. Someday I wanna be able to express my art just like you did.
    Now lets talk about art . What is art ?
    Being able to express yourself regardless of any medium you use. Now it could be Amazing portrait or freaking sand castle . It could be lines of paint on canvas to mural designs. Hell even drawing a house is art . How ? Well didn't I say it's about expressing ourselves ?. Though I am not a big fan of modern art cuz I saw some horribly creepy paintings of it and it was traumatic experience but well still People can call it art cuz well its all about expressions. But what I don't get is why do art professors want art to be ugly ? or is it wrong if I want to express something that looks beautiful ? I got it how they said about not trying to sell your art by trying to make it beautiful but still I would like to paint something that doesn't make me creeped out just by looking at it.
    Maybe I don't have an eye for an artist like art professors do but really if it means to constantly paint something I don't want to paint or to draw things I dont want to I guess It's alright if I am not considered an artist even if someday I can paint like you.

  72. jubee jay

    October 24, 2019 at 11:06 pm

    If you’d studied illustration they would love it, it’s always a matter of perspective. I dropped out of fine arts and one of the reason was what you describe, it was really stressing me out thinking why can’t I just do something pretty (and my school was super conceptional, which is not my style). That said I do see the difference, I think Art always has a second layer, the picture refers to something above the picture, possibly some archetypal human topic and is not simply pretty. It grabs you emotionally and makes you think. I don’t think they truly mean you can’t do mangas but for the capital A art is has to be more then “just” manga.
    But then what’s wrong with mangas? Maybe just the school is wrong for you. I hope you keep on doing what you like and what makes you happy.

    I think it’s all about who you are. For me I’m quite happy not to do art anymore and more design.

  73. ZX9RKiller

    October 25, 2019 at 4:21 am

    Rule number one in economics: if there's an interest, there's a market. Someone should tell your profs xD

  74. Adam Koncz

    October 25, 2019 at 10:05 am

    You are wrong saying that everything is art if one person considers it art. That just renders the word meaningless.
    However you have over 2 million views and more than 100 thousand likes. That settles it. The internet has decided. It is art.

  75. Nina Petit

    October 25, 2019 at 10:30 am

    Made the same experience. My teacher tried to explain the difference between art and kitsch while discussing my picture. He said you cant make money With that, its what the streetartists do. BUT i had fun creating it and it opens my heart, it looks beautiful so for me its art.

  76. Zuri Valentine

    October 25, 2019 at 6:02 pm

    All art is beautiful in every way. Even the little stuff you may have doodled when you were a child, it's like experiencing new things and how you would want to control it. It's your creation and no body else can own it even when people have simillar or different concepts.

  77. VolkerNight

    October 25, 2019 at 8:13 pm

    I feel sorry that you had this kind of experience. It is like they wanted to "rebuild" you to do what they think is a better art. I'm watching your videos and I think your work is awesome. This one for example, you had so much patience to paint over and over again each portion of color, then melting the colors to be a more clean image, even considering the opposite effect of colors, I love this work. I don't want the manga style or realistic style to be undermined like that… I do prefer those over abstract art. And once more, you are so patient and nice to redo your works to please those professors. I'm relieved though that you kept doing your own style and they wasn't mean enough to stop you.

  78. Kowalewicz

    October 25, 2019 at 11:29 pm

    The problem with your art is that it's only commercial and seems to be nothing more. I'm not saying this offensively, I think your artwork is pretty but it's been done before and pretty much everyone can do it. In fact – everyone already does it. In pure honesty, although I love the way you stand behind what you do and what you love to do, I dislike the way that you teach kids not to listen. There's a reason professors don't consider your artwork meaningful and you should take their opinions into consideration. Your artwork doesn't seem to express you, it rather seems like you're just drawing/painting random things that look pretty. You are very talented though.

  79. Pichada Saeheng

    October 26, 2019 at 3:33 pm

    THATS NOT ART!?!?? Who is the professor and where are they? I need to threaten cough talk to them.

  80. avernion

    October 26, 2019 at 8:30 pm

    This story is so heartbreaking. Why would they act like that? Your are is so beautiful too. I hate that they try to strangle that. Art is supposed to be free. Not forced into a cookie cutter blend dictated by the few.

  81. Care :P

    October 26, 2019 at 10:15 pm

    I am studying Art at High School and the teachers here are no better.

  82. co ri

    October 27, 2019 at 2:53 pm

    Well, I have to admit that the “pretty picture” you draw there is really tacky.

  83. Another ARMY

    October 27, 2019 at 9:18 pm

    I thought art teachers were like super open minded and gave constructives critiques (?) bUT haha noooOoOoo
    All the ones I got were like :
    « This is not art » damn bich yes it is even if I glued some grass to a canvas and painted it with blood that would be art damn it ( I mean don’t do that that shit stings eW )

  84. EndlessEtudes

    October 28, 2019 at 4:18 am

    Seems indicative of modern academia in general. A bunch of lofty useless people staying safely in their circle trying to convince the world that everything is the opposite of what's obviously true. It's like some sort of psychological disorder only available to "experts".

  85. Chloe P

    October 28, 2019 at 6:43 am

    your professors were right. I know it's hard to accept, but there is a difference between being skilled at painting faces and flowers, and creating art with purpose. Art made to express an idea is true art. The art you make is a craft. Like woodworking. It's not worse than real art, but it IS different. Real art is innovative and expressive. Your art is beautiful, but it is not the same.

  86. J Ayo

    October 28, 2019 at 11:34 am

    Some (most, even) artists are really arrogant and opinionated. They tend to think their way is the only right way and when others try to give them some constructive criticism, they disregard them. Try to put your egos aside, we know it's your own creative process, it's just we're tryna give you advice.

  87. Danden

    October 28, 2019 at 6:58 pm

    Art-Professors just have a huge stick up the ass. They are completely lost in their bubbles. If anyone really can say what art is or art isn‘t it isn‘t an Art Professor. An Art Professor is the last person to make that assumption

  88. Sarah Lindkvist

    October 28, 2019 at 8:58 pm

    So beautiful!!! 😍 For me art is everything you create and in the way you want to not in a way others want you to. I like to look at beautiful things and not just color. Art is different for everybody so just do art the way you enjoy it 💖 Keep up the wonderful art you are doing! 😊

  89. Cine Mairon

    October 28, 2019 at 11:19 pm

    Honestly, this labeling and limitation was one of the reasons for me to not to go to fine arts by choice, even if everyone was telling me to and preferred Theatre and History of Art instead. My best friend started from manga and she passed it to me as well but when she entered the Fine Arts in UK her personal style was almost lost, her figures deformed and the faces erased. Long story short she doesn't even draw anymore but rarely…her that was drawing all the time lost the spark.

     And again when a friend of my mother sent some works of mine to a studio in America they said my manga style is for nerds only and my personal trait that is details and shadows/lights, suddenly was presented as a defect because "it's not commercial".

    While modern art can be creative in its forms and colours, unfortunately the so called professionals tend to categorize and labeling everything to fit to what they know or even what they can do. In modern art I think many hide their incompetence to do something better behind a fancy explanation while the result is objectively mediocre or actually pointless. Like painting chickens or putting your own sh*t in a jar and sell it as art.

    Just…phony.

    Art started by imitation of nature and creation of beauty and personal expression and ended up to just a mess with an impressive explanation.

    Don't give up on your ART. What you do is closer to the first nature of art than what they teach.

  90. MimiTheHamster

    October 29, 2019 at 1:06 am

    True art doesn’t come from school, it comes from expressing what it is you want to express. You have to keep doing it and figure out what works for you

  91. moo factory

    October 30, 2019 at 8:00 am

    Your teachers sound like pompous arrogant twats.

  92. motopythons

    October 30, 2019 at 11:55 am

    I studied music in university and can sympathize with what you are feeling. I was only interested in the baroque, classical, romantic music. Tonal music in other words. My professors and the school was highly avant garde. New music which i had no interest in. There were certainly many occasions where i was criticized or treated unfavourably because of my musical preference. While I understand their point of view, that new and original ideas are important, i felt that was not why i enjoy playing music. Modern art music was not why i was motivated. I found it hypocritical that i was criticized for playing certain passages out of the norm, or that it was not right to phrase certain passages unconventionally… when they were always going on about originality.

    I suppose a similarity to your situation is for a person to say that they like pop music in a high art school. In their eyes, it is 'incorrect' to like what you like because its not original, it's a regurgitation of what someone else has done already, eventhough what you put on paper undeniably does have your own style in some way, regardless of whether the work itself overall is an imitation or existing style. It's almost like a popularity contest within an anti-popularity contest group. You must not conform to conventions, but you must conform to what we tell you to.

    My advice is to not forget what speaks to you. To dislike or disagree with something, one must at least understand it. If illustration is what you are good at, what you enjoy, then simply be the best you can be.

  93. Bilal Hamurabi

    October 30, 2019 at 3:22 pm

    when ppl buy abstract art for the deeper meaning… often it makes me feel like they want to feel intellectual when in fact they have more money than brains.

  94. Ally Fey

    October 30, 2019 at 3:46 pm

    university in general is overrated. art is what you make it.

  95. Wizard Boots

    October 30, 2019 at 4:22 pm

    me: Draws masterpiece by working for months
    Art teacher: Ew not art. Disgusting.
    Some random kid: *Literally smashes any kind of color over a horribly traced face.

    Art teacher: Incredible work!

  96. Taylor Hood

    October 30, 2019 at 4:36 pm

    This video is fucking infuriating. I feel genuinely sorry you. But I would also say that you should have known that studying art at university is just asking for trouble. Pretentious and elitist. Just learn by yourself and do it for yourself. Why do you even need to go to uni for art? To get a bit of paper? That has no bearing on your art.

  97. noobmaster420

    October 30, 2019 at 8:55 pm

    it's cause nothing is good anymore unless it brings money :))))

  98. loitermanart

    October 31, 2019 at 12:19 am

    They go with the market and deny the market. Your political views need to be aligned with theirs too. Otherwise it makes you narrow minded from their point if view. Thanks for creating this video.

  99. TheVanillatech

    October 31, 2019 at 1:02 pm

    If you're doing FINE ART, then teachers will have a beef with something like this. This is more in line with ILLUSTRATION. That is, you use your skill / talent to produce a specific piece of art from a brief or a set description, something that might serve a purpose commercially or express a specific message.

    Fine artists, especially uppity ones, HATE illustrators. They call us "colouring in technicians". When I was at Uni, the Fine Art teachers actually told me to leave and go take illustration instead, as it more suited my style. Best advice I ever got. At the end of the day, each to their own. But as far as "colouring in technicians" went, all I know is that in the life room, I used to draw super accurate and realistic pictures of the model in all poses in 20-25 minutes, while the "fine art" students struggled to even make their sketch look human, and i embarrassed even the fine art teachers in most life class sessions.

    Don't take it to heart. Just draw / paint what you are interested in and if it makes people happy, then it's a bonus. Concentrate on developing your skill. It will all come right in the end.

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